Sports Traders – I Need You!

| March 29, 2011 | 36 Replies

In the betting game it’s important to keep moving forward…

Even if you know how to make a profit from betting now, there’s no guarantee that you’ll still be able to do it in five or ten years time.

After all, the bookmakers won’t stand still, so nor should we.

That’s why I’m usually working on a couple of different projects at a time, in addition to my day to day bets…

It’s what helps keep me – and you – ahead of the competition.

Right now, I’m working on something that I hope to give away through the Betting Rant for nothing…

It’s called the ‘Sports Trading Bible’.

This could be a fantastic money making resource for years to come but to make it so, I need your help…

You see, rather than a simple step by step guide I want to bring together various ideas and strategies from a wide range of different contributors.

The reason for this is two fold…

Firstly, sports trading is not a simple betting concept that you can condense into a step by step guide…

And secondly, the more successful techniques we can cram into this, the better it’s going to be…

That way, if one stops working, we can move onto the next and when new strategies come to light, we can add them to future updates.

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So, what I’d like you to do is this…

If you trade regularly and have any strategies or snippets of advice that you would be happy to share then let me know…

You can do so by emailing bettingrant@agorapub.co.uk or leaving a comment at the bottom of this article.

I’ll compile everything of value, add it to plenty of my own thoughts and strategies (plus a few from some special guest contributors) and once it’s ready you’ll be the first to know…

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  1. Michael Rowan says:

    I learnt a very valuable lesson about greyhound racing whilst working for Ladbroke as assistant racing manager at each of their tracks Crayford and Monmore.

    The SP which shows in the previous formlines of a runner is an indication of what the local bookmakers and punters think of a greyhound in a grade. A dog running regularly at say around 6/1 in an A4 will probably not win an A4 if todays opponents have been running regularly in the same grade at lower average prices of around 5/2.This is a useful way of identifying and tapping into what racing managers call “grades within a grade” by using local knowledge.

    I have loads of tips like this. After all, I was trained by some of the best.

    Mike Rowan

  2. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Cheers Mike,

    I’ve made a note of your number and may well get in touch in due course.

    Matt

  3. Dave Yeates says:

    Most of the trading systems I use have come from other sources which I’m obviously not at liberty to divulge, but I am experimenting with an idea in football, to lay the draw in the half time result and back the draw in the full time result. If you win the first bet you can trade out the second for an instant profit. If you lose the first bet, you can watch the second and trade out after 65 mins, if the game is still a draw at that stage you will make a profit. If you do trade out after another goal is scored, you loss will be small. It’s important to add that I haven’t tested this scientifically but it’s one to throw into the pot

  4. Sam says:

    Hi Matt

    I hope you are well. Thanks for all your great tips. Robertson winning the snooker was my favourtite as used a 50 quid free bet on it! Traded out for some before final but still 500 quid to me is a lot of money!

    In regards to trading, will give you a quick couple of things i like to do occasionally (not as often as i should if i were more disciplined!)

    1) Pick a game that you think will be low scoring. Then on about the 30 minute mark when it is still 0-0 back under 2.5 or more cautisouly 3.5 goals on betfair. (do on 30 as between 30 mins and 45 not a lot of goals tend to go in based on the stats) Then 15 mins later provided a goal has not gone in trade out. Use a betting calculator which tells you what stake to lay off. You will make a profit no matter how many goals there are because you have taken advantage of the odds getting worse 15 minutes later. I am sure you know all this already but you did ask!

    2) I like to pick an acc. no not an acc cos we all know they are too fanciful even though they are fun. Pick a treble with teams that you expect to win. Make sure that the 3rd team are massive favourites, are playing after the first two teams in the treble are playing, the worse the odds the better for example 1/3. Put your money on the treble. Lets say your betting on saints (my team), brighton and Chelsea (against bolton for example) Back this trebled on normal site like PP. If Saints and Brighton both win then this will work. If Chelsea are to beat bolton you will 30 profit if they do not you will lose your 10 stake. However if you lay chelsea off then you can put yourself in a no lose posistion. YOu do this by laying Chelsea. You take a stake of another punter of 12 pounds meaning that if Chelsea win you will have to pay them 4 pounds. But you will have made 26 profit of your treble. If Chelsea cause an upset then you will have a profit of 2 pounds because you will keep the other punter’s stake.

    I am sure you know all this but thought I would try and contribute out of respect for your tips you provide! I am studying at college of law so should really get back to it now. But thanks again and good luck with this.

    Kind regards
    Sam

  5. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi Sam/Dave,

    Thanks for those – the more we get the better.

    I could just put a guide together with all my own strategies and tips but I believe this way will give us a much more rounded and varied guide and it means that you won’t all get sick of hearing the same voice!

    I’ll get back to you all in due course if I require any more details.

    Cheers,
    Matt

  6. andy says:

    hi matt, i have been trying to find a guaranteed way of making a substantial second income from betting for years, with limited success.So in the meantime i have been pulling in around 250 pounds every week ,taking advantage of bet365 featured race offer,and their channel 4 televised race offer.every day there is two races where you are allowed to back a horse at odds of 4 to 1 or more and if it wins, then you get a free bet to the value of your bet.[ max 50 pounds]. just before the race,and i use two screens,i put the race card for bet 365 up.and on the other bet angel.as soon as i see that i can both back and lay a horse at the same price i place my back bet first. ONCE CONFIRMED I THEN LAY ON BETFAIR.Regardless of the outcome,i know im not going to make a profit[ possible small loss with betfairs commission]Butwhen the horse wins.i now have a free 50 pound bet on there next featured race.Now i back a horse for the 50 pounds, lets say 4 to 1 profit 200 pounds, and lay it on betfair for 40 pouds ,liability 160 pounds.final outcome is i make fifty pounds if that was to win. or make 40 pounds minus betfair commission if it were to lose.In any given week i do atleast 15 races,and im now using two accounts.

  7. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    That’s a great idea Andy and one that will certainly be going in the guide.

    I don’t suppose you could take a couple of screenshots of Betfair/Bet 365 next time you use it and email them over to me?

    Obviously I don’t need to see any account details but some illustrations to go with the instructions would be ideal.

    Thanks,
    Matt

  8. chris potterton says:

    Here is a system that is profitable in the long term, for backing horses to win.
    Go to at the races website and click on speed six. Scroll through all races and note all horses that both top the list and are at least ten points clear in the lto figures. Then go to racing post and using race cards, check the selections box and if the noted horses are both rpr and topspeed selections, back them, but aviod odds on.

  9. Mike Lockey says:

    Hi Matt
    A warning – Internet advice??
    Watch carefully when entering bets. Some site servers are slow readers and miss a digit so £20 becomes £2. Don’t send until you are sure.
    If the site “hangs” don’t keep clicking or you might enter the same bet again. Exit the site, log in again and see if your money or your bet has been accepted. If not – encore une fois!
    Regards
    Mike

  10. andy says:

    hi matt, i have been trying to email you with the screen shots of bet 365, showing the bet slips,ill keep trying.But yes to your question. first backed red cape with one account,and layed straight away.waited,then backed baldemar on aanother account with bet 365,and layed again.Two horses,two chances of getting a winner.So far i have done 720 races,and netted just short of ten thousand pounds.Saturdays can be a bit frought,the market stays tight right up to the off,and sometimes you have to move on to the next race.But as their televised adverts keep saying.BACK THOSE WINNERS AND WE WILL KEEP GIVING YOU A FREE BET.They also do a similar offer on the dogs,when it is linked to sky ,and you can get a 100 pound free bet. cheers andy

  11. David says:

    Hi Matt
    Something I use which works quite well is a variation of under 2.5. I choose a game I think will be low scoring and back under 3.5 and place a lay to make a guaranteed profit of 5% to 10% depending how lucky I feel. The lay usually gets matched after a goal-less opening 10 minutes. If a quick goal is scored, I either just sit a wait, or I back again at the new higher odds, then place a lay to make my profit at the under the new average back odds.

    My second tactic is not to place the first back bet at the outset but just wait until the first goal is scored, THEN do the back and lay for 7.5% profit. You will know how the odds fall quickly after the initial rise after a goal.

    Not big profits on each game, but there are 100s of games, and most games end up under 3.5 anyway.

    Main hazard with this is that it is quite likely that an equaliser is scored too soon, (Scoring teams seem to suffer from a defensive red mist).

    So I sometimes wonder if I would be better off simply backing for under 3.5 and leave alone till 90 minutes, and then lay off any games that are already 2-1 or 1-2 when odds are better than at kick-off !!! You will have seen how many goals are scored in extra time when you don’t need a goal. If your bet DOES need a goal then of course there won’t be one!

    Same thing applies to horses. If you’ve backed a horse and it’s leading, it will fall at the last! If you lay a leading horse at say 1.05 before the last, it will clear the fence like Pegasus.

    OH for a crystal ball!

    David

  12. STUARTY says:

    Hi Matt thanks for you and all for giving me a look at some good ideas and systems ,I got this one myself 2 years ago ,and it has a fair strike rate,you start with getting oddschecker website ,then you compare the biggest betting changes and bet the top 2 ,they must be above 400 in last column and 12 11 in previous 2 many thanks Stuarty

  13. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for all your comments and strategies – I’m sure I’ll be putting plenty of them into the guide.

    It’s going to take a month or two to put the guide together but I’ll be in touch with individuals as and when to confirm the finer points of the strategies.

    Thanks again and do keep them coming!

  14. Charles E says:

    Hey,

    I just received an email from Victor Chandler for the US Masters golf event starting Thursday 7th April. Basically, they are saying that if you back a golfer – any golfer in the tournament – and should that golfer go on to hit a hole-for-one, then your bet will be paid out as a winning bet regardless of who the real tournament winner is! Not refunding of your stakes, or giving you free bets, but paying out on your bets as a winner!

    And a hole-in-one is not as rare as it seems…there’s been quite a few this year already and one this past weekend.

    Charles

  15. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Sounds good to me Charles. May well be worth a pound on an outsider or two.

    I’ve been concentrating on the National, so don’t have any Masters tips but if anyone does, it’d be great to hear from them.

  16. tony says:

    hi matt quick football trade i use back nil nil start of the match then lay the draw on the half time market as soon as agoal is scored trade out for a profit if match remains nil nil trade out on the nil nil for a small profit works well on most premiership games

  17. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi Tony,

    Thanks for that. I’m just putting these together now and hopefully the first version of the guide will be available free to all in a few weeks time.

    Cheers,
    Matt

  18. Matt D says:

    Hi Tony,

    I like the sound of your football trading method. I have a question if you don’t mind. What sort of staking do you use on the first bets to allow you to make a small profit if the match is 0-0 after half time? Cheers

  19. tony says:

    hi matt to answer your question about staking it all depends on the price of the nil nil at the start of the match the higher the price the more room you have to play with i now use the nil nil as an insurance bet you have to work out your own stakes dependant on the prices use a bet calculator and paper trade on a few matches you will soon get the hang of it hope this is some help to you

  20. ALAN says:

    HI MATT,FORGIVE THE CAPS..IT’S QUICKER FOR ME,NEVER LEARNED TO TYPE.
    WELL,WHERE DO I START ? I AM A PRO BACKER WITH MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS & MY
    STATEMENTS READ WIN WIN WIN WITH MONOTONOUS REGULARITY & ALL OF THIS
    ONLY CAME FROM EXTREMELY LONG STATS ANALYSIS OVER DECADES & HAS THROWN
    UP MANY PRICELESS PRO SECRETS THAT HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME FOR
    DECADES.THE HANDFUL OF SYSTEMS/METHODS THAT I USE CONCERNS FAVS BACKED
    IN A VERY SPECIAL & UNUSUAL WAY MAKING THE HOT POTS REDUNDANT & GIVING
    ME ALL THE GOOD PRICED ONES.THE STRIKE RATE ACROSS THE BOARD USING THE
    METHODS/SYSTEMS(believe it or not!)IS 96% TO 98% WINS & I DON’T THINK
    I CAN’T OFFER ANY OF THEM GRATIS ,BUT I CAN HELP POSSIBLY TO STRENGTHEN
    OR TIGHTEN UP ANY STRATEGIES THAT YOUR SUBSCRIBERS ARE USING WITH SOME
    VERY USEFUL POINTERS…WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ? A SMALL POINTER/EXAMPLE.
    TWO FAVS LOOK GOOD TO A PUNTER & HE WANTS TO MAKE A GOOD PROFIT ON THE
    OUTCOME/S UNFORTUNATELY HE NOTES THAT ONE IS F/CAST @ 4/5 & THE OTHER
    IS EVENS,SO SADLY HE GIVES UP & BACKS NEITHER.WHEN HE MEETS UP LATER
    WITH A MORE EXPERIENCED FRIEND/BACKER HIS FRIEND TAKES A LOOK @ THE TWO
    FAVS PRICES & SAYS “THAT’S A SHAME,IF I WAS HERE I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU
    HOW TO MAKE A VERY GOOD PROFIT EVEN IF ONLY ONE OF THEM WINS” THERE’S A
    LITTLE MATHS PUZZLE MATT…THE ANSWER BY THE WEEKEND IF YOU WANT IT &
    THAT WILL GIVE YOUR OTHER SUBSCRIBERS A LITTLE TIME TO COME UP WITH AN
    ANSWER.BYE NOW & GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE & DON’T FORGET..IF YOU KNOW A
    THING WORKS GO FOR IT,FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE!!(just don’t go nuts)
    ALAN. PS:-MORE TO COME.

  21. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi Alan, cheers for the comments, some very interesting stuff there and I’m looking forward to your odds on profit answer.

    As an aside, any chance you could put your next message all in lower case? It won’t take any longer, promise!!

    Regards,
    Matt

  22. Rog says:

    Hi Matt and particularly Alan (sorry Matt),

    O.K. I give up. Since your post Alan I’ve tried quadratic equations, differential calculus and voodoo, but I can’t for the life of me produce a good profit from one winner from a 4/5 shot and an even money shot. That’s not a maths problem, that’s magic!

    I can understand your reluctance to divulge most of your pro secrets, but please, please, give us the answer to that one.

    Regards,

    Rog,

  23. Paul says:

    The guy in caps was probably trolling, the capital letter is usually a big giveaway, there is no way mathematically to place 2 bets at odds of evens and 4/5 and still make a profit if only one of them wins.

    It may be possible to make a profit though if the bookmaker you use allows Stop at a winner bets by betting say £10 on the 4/5 shot first and £20 on the evens for a total of £30, if the 4/5 shot wins you would get £18 back plus the £20 stake for the even money shot regardless of the result for a total of £38, if the even money shot wins then you would get back £40.

    I’ve never actually tried to place a stop at a winner bet myself so I don’t know how much difficulty you would have placing it, in my mind though it wouldn’t make sense to place the bet that way anyway even if your bookmaker did allow it, you would only be getting odds of 4/15 or 1/3 depending on which bet wins and if both lose you still lose the entire stake. If both won you miss out as well since 2 £15 singles would have given you £57 back or odds of 9/10

  24. Jax Heath says:

    Hi Matt
    What happened to this ‘Sports Trading Bible’? Would love a copy!

  25. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi Jax,

    It’s nearly ready. It probably should have been ready months ago but it is getting there. Good things come to those who wait and all that!!

    Hopefully it’ll be out for the start of November but I’ll keep you posted.

    Matt

  26. dave says:

    Skimming is what I call my little way of making a bit extra. I dont get involved in any match untill about 2 to 3 minutes from full time, I look at all the in running games and I look for a game where a team has just gone 2 up ( 2 goals being a good safety margin} on the opposition and get my bet on £500 X 1.03 or 1.02 = £10 to £15 profit in minutes.
    Cheers DC

  27. Andy H says:

    Hi. Just stumbled upon this site. I’ve been trading for about 3 years now and made very nice profits arbing (backing with bookies and laying on Betfair). Unfortunately most of my accounts have been closed down by the bookies . In one year of arbing part time I won £40,000 from bookmakers and lost £25,000 on Betfair. A nice tax free profit of £15,000. I looking into ways of sending Arbing opportunities to punters and taking a slice of the profits. Any suggestions?

  28. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Hi Andy,

    Good to hear from you.

    I might just be able to help you out there. Arbing isn’t my area of expertise so there’s certainly room for a service of that nature and I’m sure plenty of Betting Rant subscribers would be interested.

    If you could send me an email with a few more details (track record, type and number of bets etc) I’ll look into it and get back to you tomorrow at some stage. My email address is bettingrant@agorapub.co.uk.

    Regards,
    Matt

  29. Pete says:

    Hi Matt,
    Did the trading guide ever see the light of day?
    I have to ask, as I occasionally nod off at slow times when the weather’s bad, so I might have missed it!
    Pete

  30. Matt Houghton Matt Houghton says:

    Not yet but I promise it will eventually.

    I know I keep saying that but it definitely will. Blame Agora as I’ve done my bit!

    No date set as yet but at some point this year.

    Matt

  31. miwright64 says:

    Just joined betting rant, some great tips here and am looking forward to the trading bible, any news ?

  32. Should be by the end of the year. It’s more or less ready but we pushed it back to make room for Premier Bets.

    Hopefully it’ll be out soon though. Hopefully!!!

  33. jinxy1 says:

    re andy on the b365 feature race and c4 races. I’ve been doing the same for a couple of months now and last week had an e.mail stating they were limiting my account. I can vouch for Andy as this does work and very profitable is is too.
    What i would like to know is if anybody has any ideas on trying to stop this happening on future accounts.

  34. Rob Broadhurst says:

    Hi Matt
    Just found this thread and, as the book is not due until the end of 2012, thought I would give you my two penneth!

    I like to find massively overpriced tennis players in Grand Slams. Ones who have a reallistic chance of winning. I then back them to small stakes and trade out if/when they reach the latter stages.

    I did this recently with Berdych at the US Open. Backed at 80/1 and traded out at 15/1.

    This system is not about making big money as the backed player rarely wins the overall Tournament. It is more about the one time they do go on to win as, by trading out, a loss is very rare.

    I also do the same thing on golf but that is more lucrative as the player often wins. Well, sometimes anyway. I am still not sure how Adam Scott blew my 50/1 bet in the Open this year!!!

    Cheers Matt.

  35. Thanks Rob.

    It’s a tactic I like actually and in current day tennis with good players like Berdych, Ferrer, del Potro and Tsonga usually available at very big outright odds there are plenty of opportunities.

  36. AN ANNOUNCEMENT…

    This should finally be released just before Christmas!!!!

    Better late than never eh…

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