The Lay Men Service Review

| April 24, 2016 | Reply

Product Name: The Lay Men

Company Name & Contact Details
Stark Investors


Earn £4,000 + a month from Lay Betting

Price: £49 per month £99 per quarter or £279 per year

Money Back Guarantee: None offered.

What Do You Get?

– Email based sports lay tipping service

Where to buy:

Brief Summary

The Lay Men from Stark Investors is a football and horse racing lay service. Advised by email daily with aim of low liability selections. Past results available for download from site. 

How Much Money Do I need to get started?

100 point bank assumed.

How much money can I make?

No specific claims made but see headline which is based on £100 staking.

How much time will I need to make this work?

Minutes daily.

Will I need any equipment to do this?

Internet connection and betting exchange account

Value for money?

Break even in month one of trial.

Quality of customer service?

Prompt response to emails

Review – 13/05/2015

Another lay service from Stark Investors which unusually covers both horse racing and soccer, there apparently being a team of selectors weeding out the possible selections. As usual the service is offered at a basic level with subscribers left to their own devices as to how to stake. It is all very well for services to quote profits based on £100 stakes but I have come across few that bet at this level especially when laying as the liability could have been £1,000. And if you are betting at that level would you be using a tipster anyway?

Selections are advised by email with no guidance as to odds that are acceptable so we have used BSP for horse racing and the price available at the time the email is received for soccer. Highest odds for horse have been 10.5 (average 5.75) and 7.40 for soccer (average 4.40).

There have been 22 runners on the track with 4 of these winning their race giving a strike rate of 82% and a profit of just under 1 point having peaked at 7.5 points to the good. A run of 9 successful bets was seen with consecutive winners once.

The football started with a losing bet and has struggled to return to profit with a 70% strike rate from 20 bets in all. Currently a 1 point loss is showing after a winning streak of 8 bets was ended.

At the moment it is difficult to see how the advertised profits might be attained and with confidence such a major factor when laying there is a lot of work to be done here to justify the high medium subscription rate.

The site results have not been updated since 31 March – hardly a major effort with relatively few bets – and the marketing emails seen of late continue to make claims of high profits being achievable.

Whilst the service is genuine from an established publisher we would suggest caution until a larger sample is available and consistent profits being seen.

You can see a full breakdown of our results here:

Lay Men Results

Update – 17/6/2016:

Our results now cover the period from 13 April and have been pretty uninspiring. The horse racing shows 0.16 points profit while the soccer (with some golf thrown in) shows a loss of 9.4 points. The latter not only included a losing run of six selections but an advice for a lay in a market which did not exist on Betfair or any other exchange. Our enquiry for help with this went unanswered.

There have been 34 selections for racing with seven winning their race (20.58%) and the soccer side has seen 43 selections with 14 losing the bet (32.56%). With a substantial monthly subscription sought here it is difficult to justify following the service based on these results and a 40 point monthly profit as claimed possible on the website is somewhat of a pipe dream at present.

We noted that the site results had been updated to the end of May and were surprised to see that not all selections were included in the results and the odds advised for the soccer bets were significantly below those available when the emails are received. A winning horse was shown as a no bet, presumably because the odds were high. As mentioned previously there is no staking advice given to subscribers nor any maximum betting prices. The site advises a profit of 5.76 points in May compared to our experience at a loss of 13.8 points. We have sought clarification of the position but to date there has been no response.

You can see a full breakdown of our results here:

Lay Men Results

Final Update 13/8/2016:

If I were a paying subscriber to this service I should be very unhappy. Despite the profit claims on the website we have not been able to turn a profit in 4 months (at a cost of nearly £200 in subs) and also the site results claim profits that we cannot verify. At least 1 losing selection has been missed out and the odds for losing football games are significantly different to those available to us. Some improvement has been seen but we are showing a 4 point loss for the soccer and a near 4 point profit on the horses. Net position break even before subs. Not recommended.

You can see a results breakdown here:

The Lay Men Final Results


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Category: Betting, Football, Football Tipsters, Horse Laying Tips, Horse Racing, Sport, Tipster Services

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