Bets2Profit /Bets2Profit Lays (Final Update)

| September 4, 2019 | Reply


Product Name:

Bets2Profit / Bets2Profit Lays

Company Name & Contact Details:
William Edmonds


There are three options available:
£14.95 per month
£29.95 per quarter
£67.00 for a full 12 months

There is no VAT due on these prices.

Money Back Guarantee:

Nothing mentioned.

What Do You Get?

Daily win singles to be backed, together with selected short-odds lays. Members receive both sets of selections for their membership fee and can choose to follow either or both services. Selections are sent the evening before racing.

Where to Buy:


How Much Money Do I Need to Get Started?

A 100-point bank is recommended for the back selections and 50-points for the lays.

How Much Money Can I Make?

There are no claims made on the website. However, our partner site Tipstars shows the back service to be 71.75 points in profit for the three months April to June 2019, with all three months in profit.

The lay service was added to Tipstars later and has only the first month of our review included.

How Much Time Will I Need to Make This Work?

There are between one and eight back selections each day and all are win or each-way singles. The lay selections usually number between two and four on any given day, although odd days may be slightly higher. To follow both services should be a matter of no more than 10 minutes each day.

Will I Need Any Equipment to Do This?

A laptop, PC, tablet or smartphone with internet connectivity and access to a range of bookmaker accounts. The lay service requires a Betfair exchange account (other exchange accounts can be used but the criteria and results are based on Betfair SP).

Value for Money?

As always, I’ll defer a comment on this aspect until the end of the review. Although two services for £14.95 per month is definitely at the value price end of the market. With a combined average monthly profit of over 40-points in the three months of the review this is undoubtedly a pass for value for money. Either element of the service would represent VFM in its own right at the low monthly subscription rate.

Quality of Customer Service?

The website states that email enquiries will be answered within 12 hours. This has not been tested.


Bets2Profit and Bets2Profit Lays are run by William (Bill) Edmonds. This is an independent service and is not connected to any tipster platform. Membership entitles you to both the back and lay selections each day, although either can be followed individually if you prefer.

Bill has developed his own filters and rankings over the years and his philosophy is to stick with what has worked rather than tinkering when there is a poor run. The long-term profitability of the system is what matters, a philosophy that I totally endorse and agree with.

The back selections are sent each evening for the following day’s racing in order to take advantage of the early prices. The actual delivery time can vary from as early as 19:30 to as late as 23:00. The lay selections follow later in the evening and on occasion this can mean overnight in the UK – the service is actually based in Canada.

The average number of back bets each day is around five, although this can be anywhere from one to eight or more on any given day. Lay selections tend to be two to four per day, although a “busy” day could see five or six on rare occasions.

The vast majority of the back bets are win singles, although there are a few each-way singles as well. The stake per bet is always one-point, either one-point to win or half-point each-way. The email simply lists the race details, the selection, the advised odds, win or each-way and the bookmakers offering the advised price. One small criticism of the email layout is that there is no gap between each selection which would make it easier to read. The font size sometimes “shrinks” on the last selection as well.

The lay selections are all one-point to Betfair SP (BFSP). The criteria for laying the selection is that the BFSP is not above 4.5. This can be set when placing the selection on Betfair and if the BFSP exceeds 4.5 then the bet is voided. The email for the lay selections is actually set out in columnar form and as a result is easier to read than the back one.

Results – Month 1 (1st June to 30th June 2019)

The back selections started with a losing sequence of 16 selections, the worst run in the month, and although further runs of 10 (three times) and 11 followed in the period, this didn’t stop the service posting a healthy 28.99 points profit for June.

There were 163 selections sent in the month, 19 of which ended up as non-runners. Of the 144 that went to post, 28 were winners, a strike rate of 19.44%. The average odds of all selections for June was 9.08 (just over 8/1), whilst the winning selections averaged just over 11/2 (6.84). Winners were in the range 2.625 (13/8) to 21.0 (20/1), with the 20/1 shot being advised each-way.

The return on investment was 17.79% and after deducting the cost of the monthly subscription this nets down to 16.71% at £10 per point stakes and 17.57% at £50 per point – assuming you were only following the back selections.

The lay selections generated 89 tips in the month, with five being non-runners and a further seven being void as the BSP exceeded 4.5. That left 77 lay positions during the month and 56 (72.73%) were successful. This generated a profit of 10.28 points for the period.

The combined profit from following both the back and lay selections in June was 39.27 points.

Results – Month 2 (1st July to 31st July 2019)

Despite a review-worst losing sequence of 21 and another of 14 during July, the overall result was another profit in excess of 25-points. The actual profit of 25.37 points gives us a cumulative surplus of 54.36 points after two months.

Of the 161 selections advised this month, there were 24 non-runners, not surprising given the unseasonal weather. The 137 that ran produced 29 winners for a strike rate of 21.17%, slightly up on last month. This increased strike rate (from less runners) offset a drop in the average odds of the winning selections to 5.62 (c.9/2). The range of prices on the winners was very wide again, from 2.375 (11/8) up to 17.0 (16/1).

The return on investment (ROI) in the month was 15.76% and that gives us a cumulative figure of 16.78% across both months. After deducting the cost of the monthly subscription this cumulative position nets down to 15.71% at £10 per point stakes and 16.56% at £50 per point – assuming you were only following the back selections.

The lay selections generated 112 tips in the month, with three being non-runners and a further 30 being void as the BSP exceeded 4.5. That left 79 lay positions during the month and 55 (69.62%) were successful. This generated a profit of 7.43 points for the period and gives us a cumulative gain of 17.71 points across two months.

The combined profit from following both the back and lay selections in July was 32.8 points and gives us a cumulative profit of 72.07 points. Remember that you get both the back and lay selections with your membership and can choose to follow either or both.

Results – Month 3 (1st August to 31st August 2019)

If the first two months on the back bets were good, this month was nothing short of exceptional, with a final profit of 52.96 points to flat one-point stakes. This gives us a final profit of 107.32 points for the review as a whole. 

The strike rate for the final month was 27.36% and that gave us an overall strike rate of 22.22% across the quarter. Allied to this increased strike rate was an increase in the average odds of the winning selections to just under 5/1 (5.87). The range of winning odds was slightly narrower in this period, ranging from 2.625 (13/8) to 13.0 (12/1).

The return on investment (ROI) in August was a very healthy 43.06% and over the course of the review the rate was 24.01%. The starting bank was doubled in the three months of the review, with an overall return on capital (ROC) of 107.32%. The net ROI (after taking into account the subscription fees) was 22.78% at £10 per point stakes and 23.76% at £50 per point – assuming you were following the back bets only.

Unfortunately, the lay selections couldn’t make it a clean sweep of profits during the review, ending the final month with a small loss of 3.55 points. There was still an overall profit of 14.16 points from following the lay picks over the course of the review though.

The total combined profit from following both elements for three months was an impressive 121.48 points. An average monthly gain of over 40-points.

Summary at End of Month 1

A very healthy start to the review period for both the back and lay selections.

Summary at End of Month 2

A second month of profit for both elements leaves us closing in on a potential combined gain of 100-points in the review period.

Summary at End of Month 3

The 100-point barrier was well and truly broken, with the back bets more than doubling their starting bank in just three months. This was one of the most impressive reviews we have conducted for some time now and at £14.95 per month (or just £67 for the whole year) for both elements it would seem to be a no-brainer to add it to your portfolio.


The full list of results for the review period can be found here:


Bets2Profit Lays


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