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Hi Matt. You need to update the link given in the emails for your section as it takes us to Miles’ part 2 page and not this one.
Hi Matt- can not access this again for the National Hunt Tip-can you e-mail over asap email@example.com
No National Hunt selections today.
hi Matt-any NH tip for today?
No sorry. I’ll post an explanation above.
Any way you can stop me getting the “I told you so” e-mails selling the Syndicate, as it”s getting a bit tedious now considering I’ve been in since the beginning !
It’ll more than likely be due to you having multiple accounts on the system. If you contact Agora customer services they should be able to sort it for you:
Just joined. Hoping for better returns than we had this summer on The Racing Code, albeit that Agora has offered a free year’s membership next year due to Piss-poor Performance. Question though: are the tips offered by Miles on the Syndicate different to those offered on The Racing Code? I have no confidence in that method of selection so it will be interesting to see how this service compares. Going in with open mind!
Yes. They’re all here:
With results here:
So feel free to have a look.
The Racing Code is based on micro systems with horses meeting set criteria whereas these selections are all based on form study. There’s plenty of reasoning for the selections in the first link which will give you a feel for the service.
My racing bank has fallen by 20% since the start of November. I started with a 1 point win stake at £8,then went to £5, and today lowered it to £4.
When Miles was tipping I went from £200 to £920 in the Flat season.
I am considering not placing any more bets until you provide some decent tips.
YES Derek,i agree,since the 1st of nov,21 BETS,20-LOSSES,1 WINNER@ 9/4,AND IF I AM CORRECT,YOU WERE SCRATCH LAST YEARS RESULTS MATT,you have lots of work ahead mr houghton.
I’m sure you’re both aware that Miles’s selections showed an overall loss for the first three months of the flat season. Let’s show a little bit of patience yes.
I was surprised regarding the key point in your recent e-mail concerning my reducing my bet size as the number of losing bets was increasing.
I have a staking plan which regards a 1 point win as 1% of my betting bank at the time of making the bet. This means that as the number of losers increases then I will place smaller bets in order to protect my bank. I see nothing wrong in this practice at all.
I am not about to change my ways and risk bashing my bank.
Best regards, DEREK SHEARS
That’s fair enough. I misunderstood in that I thought you were just lowering it randomly rather than sticking to your own staking plan. That’s a perfectly valid way of doing things.
I do though stand by my point regarding not betting at all and the likelihood of that meaning you’ll miss good winners and then start betting again having missed the boat.
As I said in the email, it wasn’t having a go at you, just illustrating my point.
Can’t see anything on the site for the Kempton bet that was notified by text
Hello Ian. It’s one of mine so you’ll need to go here:
Thanks Miles, I should have read all of the text!
Hi thank you to and Matt for today.I have not been with you for very long.But not a bad day from both of you.Many thanks and keep up the good work Stuart
Thanks Stuart, just a shame that double didn’t quite come in!
I know it is really early days and I don’t want to question your wisdom but I am going to anyway.
Is just going for the major meeting the best policy ? Don’t these tend to the most competitive and isn’t there more of likelihood of a horse being specifically prepared for these races as apposed to a Tuesday afternoon at Plumpton.
I will also just point out that a lot of the other services I look at are also having a particular bad November.
I’ll reply to this in today’s update email.
Alternative to the 1220 at Cheltenham – SkyBet are doing money back as a free bet if 2nd. No lengths criteria required, but also no winning lengths bonus. Still 9-4. Your choice!
What an absolute waste of time as usual 6 tips 1 win (odds on) 1 place and the rest absolute dross
Yes Alan. 18/1 bets that are beaten by a nose! Absolute dross! Couldn’t agree more strongly. What an idiotic pick!
Also, even money isn’t odds on.
It’s very simple… If you can’t handle losing runs betting at big prices don’t bet at big prices. Go and find another service that tips nothing but favourites.
Today’s ‘absolute dross’ saw a break even from the short odds bets, a 14/1 fourth, a 18/1 nose second, a 33/1 6th and a 14/1 ninth.
If you think those performances amount to absolute dross then please do yourself a favour and don’t bet anything bigger than about 3/1.
Seriously, do you ever think we’ll ever see any winners. I’ve been following (foolishly) this service for a few years now and it pains me to look at my overall significantly red figure! I’ve tried to keep the faith in the hope that we see some decent wins but I think that I’ll cut my losses and transfer the NHS system into my discontinued services section of my spreadsheet!
If you’ve been following the Syndicate for a few years now then you’ll be in significant profit.
If you include Tredwells Summer Selections then I agree he’s been very profitable but the NHS system in isolation has not been very clever and delivered consistent losses. I varied my stakes in the early days to reflect a percentage of my depleting betting bank but over the last two years I have stuck to level stakes. Overall over the three year period I am £600 in the red at low (£2 to £5) stakes. It will take a serious turn of fortune to recover those losses. You always report free bets and such like in your reports. Do you include these as well as BOG when you say we’ve made a profit? If so then that is very inaccurate since I’m restricted with almost all bookies and can benefit from neither of these benefits. Would be interested in your reply?
Thanks for the considered reply Mark. More useful than ‘absolute dross’ after a nose denied us a 15 point overall profit.
I’ll post a proper reply to you tomorrow as I’m out now.
Yes we were denied a profit by a nose and its happened quite a few times. However they all might as well have finished last since a loss is a loss. Thanks for your thoughts on my reply and I’ll look forward to your reply tomorrow. Have a nice evening, I sense it might be a boozy one!
I’ll get back to you on Monday Mark. Sorry about the delay.
Did you forget about me?
Sorry Mark, it’s been a manic couple of weeks (the festive period always is).
Answer for you…
Since the start of the Syndicate (Feb 2015) we’ve had one part jumps season and one full season. In the part season an overall profit of 15.514 points was secured (not including free bets). I think that’s a perfectly reasonable return from 2.5 months of service.
2015/16 produced a 17.34 point loss (not including free bets) which was obviously disappointing and puts the service overall very slightly into loss since we launched. Obviously that’s not great from the National Hunt point of view but, in terms of the service as a whole, it doesn’t change the fact that the Syndicate is extremely profitable since launch.
Obviously you don’t dispute the overall profitability of the service, so going back to focus specifically on the jumps selections I would argue that before this season losses (where there have been losses) have been pretty minimal and, for those people who are eligible for the free bets, would actually not have prevented a decent overall profit from the jumps selections in isolation, given that we’ve secured around 70 points worth of free bets in that time.
While certain people are unable to benefit from those free bets and from BOG (which is what the results are based on) I do not believe that paints an inaccurate picture. It just means that the service may not be suitable for certain people.
To use an example, you wouldn’t say that something like Bonus Bagging has no merit or doesn’t live up to the risk free profit claims because not everybody can take advantage of matched betting. You’d simply say if you can’t take advantage of it then it isn’t for you.
And a reminder here that all 70 points worth of free bets are from existing customer offers at major bookies.
To finish I would say three things…
1) It’s very difficult to make good profits from racing without using BOG bookies and while Miles has done, even his large profits are dented quite a lot if you remove BOG. If you can’t use BOG then I wouldn’t necessarily recommend following the National Hunt part of the service.
2) If you can use BOG then I’m confident that, despite the bad start to the season, we can and will make a profit to BOG. I’m constantly evolving the service and I’m happy with the methodology and the decision to stick to major meetings only going forwards. It means bad runs may feel worse because we are betting less often but our historical performance at the major meetings suggests we’ll get our rewards sooner or later.
If you can also take advantage of the free bets then you will have shown a profit on the jumps every year and should continue to do so.
3) It’s perfectly reasonable to just follow the flat part of the service which has made a superb and very consistent profit since launch and should continue to do so. Whatever you think of the jumps part, I would hope that it doesn’t have any bearing on how you feel towards what Miles contributes.
That may all be a wee bit rambling but i have tried to put my thoughts/reasoning down and hopefully they’re of some use!
Thanks for taking the time to type me a detailed response!
I take everything you said on board and can see your reasoning.
Fortunately there are still a number of bookies that i can use that provide BOGs so I use them even if it means placing a bet a point or so lower than your recommendations. Unfortunately Bet365 isn’t one of them so I can’t place with them but somehow I’ve found that my restrictions with one particular bookie has been lifted which came as a nice surprise. Even when I was limit free with Bet365 I used a profit maximiser system to utilise there free bet on the next race promotions before I got round to placing your tips.I have a portfolio of tipsters (including Miles and yourself) and use various techniques to generated each month a significant second income which is probably why so many bookies seem keen to restrict me.
I’ll monitor the jumps part of the syndicate and like you said it may be because of my circumstances I may be better of sticking to the flat part of the syndicate.
Thanks again for you honesty and lets hope for some nice jump returns going forward!
Thanks for the reasoned responses Mark.
While I can snap sometimes (I’m betting on the selections too, so generally I’m not in the best of moods when we’ve been denied a big winner by the smallest of margins!!) I never have a problem with considered criticism/comments.
I have only been in the service since the beginning of November but i must admit i have been going each way on some bets above 8.00 and i have accumalated some returns that otherwise would have been lost on a win no matter how unlucky we have been.
Betting at £5 a point i am down by £160 to date
Is that a £160 loss betting each way?
I’m £193.65 down betting on the nose at £5 stakes in the same period so I guess going each way doesn’t make the returns that much better?
Only each way on anything above 8.00
Is the Saturday selections usually this late. Nothing yet.
I have just contacted Matt and there won’t be any selections today.
Thanks for that Kevin
Crisis? What crisis?????
Sorry about the lack of selections today. If I’m in a position where I can’t do research of sufficient quality I obviously won’t post any up.
Do you list results for your NH selections anywhere? Miles updates his selections with full details of P&L, including Rule 4 deuctions but there does not seem to be corresponding details of your NH selections.
I keep a spreadsheet. Happy to email it to you if you drop me a line at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Thanks Matt. I’ll do that.
Well done today Matt.
A nice return to form on Saturday, after what has been a few difficult weeks. Let’s hope it continues.
Thanks Phil. The festive period has traditionally been a good one for us, so fingers crossed that will continue to be the case this year.
Wow – Happy New Year!
What price a treble on those?
Thanks Matt. A sign of things to come hopefully.
Cheers Andy, would have been big enough to cover the cost of a few Christmas presents that’s for sure!
Thanks for the tips today, as well as the individual bets I put them in a treble and had a really good win. When putting on my bets I usually put them together in an acca, I do this most days with smallish stakes to try and stop my accounts being closed or limited, but it is a great bonus if they come up.
Thanks again and happy New Year.
No worries Janet. That’s really good to hear and a good idea regarding keeping accounts intact.
All the best,
Credit where credits due Matt. Great tipping today!
I have decided to throw the towel in after today’s racing.
I will pick my own 4/5 shots and show a lot better % return than this service. Very disapointing
You’ve decided to throw the towel in because of one loser? We’re well in front in the last month, including a 22/1 winner among others.
It takes all of 10 seconds to scroll down this page and see that the average odds are 5/1, 6/1+ so while I welcome constructive criticism acting like it’s an odds on service is a bit daft.
Then dont it odds on chances.
There’s nothing wrong with odds on chances. Are you saying you wouldn’t back Ussin Bolt at odds on to beat Johnny Vegas in a 100m sprint?
We’ve actually made a profit this season from short odds shots.
We also made an overall profit today thanks to Miles’ 33/1 3rd.
I can finally post messages on here! Its been a good start to the year so don’t get the above criticism. I didn’t bet on todays selection as I generally don’t like betting odds on or evens but if your not comfortable betting on odds on shots then don’t bet on them, its quite simple. Its not very often that Matt gives short odds anyway. Hopefully have some decent wins tomorrow, amazing days racing!
Why don’t you give selections in the week as well? Your part of this service is essentially just a Saturday service isn’t it. Its not a criticism as such, I was just wondering why you don’t give selections in the week as well…
Up until this season I had done but I found that the best results always came in the best quality racing. Much like Miles specialises in the lower grades I specialise in the higher grades.
As a result it’s not just Saturdays (I’m also covering major meetings and festivals on other days) and I’m pretty happy with that approach.
The only downside is that during a bad spell you have to wait longer in terms of days for a turnaround but I do think it’s the right way to go. Year after year we do really well at the likes of Cheltenham and the Christmas/New Year meetings so if anything I’d be inclined to go even more specialist rather than less so.
Okay fair enough Matt. Thanks for your response
Problems logging into both pages last night and today. E-mailed Agora, but as yet nothing. Perhaps text message selections today in case it is a website problem
Hi Matt, same problem as Ian. At login for both you and Miles, the message is that I’m not subscribed.
I’ll email them to you two as if there’s an issue with your subscription you probably won’t get the text either.
I have been a member of The Syndicate since Oct 15 and have had numerous problems with Agora’s administration, the latest being last month when my direct debit simply wasn’t taken and their solution was to cancel my subscription and start a new one. I would imagine Ian and Peter above are two of many who have experienced problems. To their credit their telephone support is excellent when you ring with a problem but if they sorted their admin. out there would be no need for the call in the first place.
Thanks Matt & Miles for a great couple of days – managed to get odds of 12 for Speredek on Betfair Exchange. Ave it!
Good to hear, James. Thanks for the comment.
cant login for tonights bets says not subscribed
Have you contacted customer services? I posted the link on Miles’s thread. Seems like there may be an issue with your subscription.
Hi Matt,Contacted customer services have paid my subs they said login will be sorted in 5 mins 4 hrs later still cant login.Can you please email the bets for sat.Thanks P J LAWES
Hi Peter, If you email me email@example.com I’ll send them over
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