Dirty Tricks And New Reviews

| May 11, 2017 | 3 Replies

It’s time for another column from our Head Reviewer, Peter Philipson. Enjoy and, as always, if you have any comments for myself or Peter you can leave a comment on the reviews section of the website or email bettingrant@agoarpub.co.uk.

Matt Houghton


Head over heart

In his recent article Matt included the assertion that when betting most want to cheer on a side (or presumably horse/greyhound) and this made me wonder if I was doing things wrong…

You see, when I do place bets I want them to win and if I thought the bet had value it wouldn’t matter whether I was backing Liverpool or Chipping Sodbury…

What I am trying to say is that you should not be betting with a trace of emotion present in the decision because not only can that mean your rationale is flawed, it is also just what the bookies want you to do.

Mug punters are their bread and butter and I hope that the aim of all Betting Rant members is to be a profitable punter – it is certainly our aim to help you.

More dirty tricks?

I have been talking about the bookies attempts to spy on you to make sure they can restrict the activities of successful punters and we have mentioned Jolly Lock as one means of helping, as well as the option to use a VPS if you are running bots.

I reviewed a good UK based VPs recently called Bettingdev and am pleased to report that the developers have issued an upgrade to their product that means the iniquitous IE Snare/Iovation software will automatically be blocked on new servers (existing customers should have been advised directly of this with the option to include it on their set up)…

The betting background of the developer is proving very useful and practical here and the product is well worth a look.

We had also mentioned that Jolly Lock would not work in hiding you from bet365 who often do not even let you log in if using this…

Well, a work around has been found that will prove difficult for them to get at.

If you decide to place a bet with bet365 then do this via the Oddschecker site you will avoid the issue of not being able to get on the bet365 site direct and there is less they can do to track your activity – win/win for once.

Talking of Oddschecker, I have noticed more and more that the prices quoted on the site by bookmakers are not those actually available when you get through to the individual sportsbook.

I first noticed this when reviewing the Each Way Sniper product and Mike Cruikshank advised me that it was usually down to the feed delay timing and not done with an ulterior motive.

Well, with horses the markets move fast and some change is perhaps to be expected but if betting many hours in advance on a footy game then things are not the same and I would expect the price quoted on Oddschecker to be available from the bookmaker – if not, it rather defeats the whole object of the Oddschecker site doesn’t it?

Well I’m afraid that I have found several examples where the bookmaker is not offering the odds quoted on Oddschecker and am rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is a deliberate ploy by the bookmakers concerned to get you on their site and even though the odds are not the same just take their price to avoid further hassle.

An example is shown below:


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I also have several more examples available if anyone wants a look and these include a bookie advertising a BOG price on Oddschecker but only having SP available on the site when you click through.

Let us know if you have found the same problem – I would be very surprised if a relatively occasional bettor like me was the only one experiencing this and it could be costing you guys cash in reduced winnings.

Your feedback please

While we are looking at ethical issues (I know – ethics and bookmakers are words rarely used together!) we also had an interesting email from a member who had taken a subscription to a tipping service and wished to cancel before the period expired – he therefore expected a refund for the unused portion of his subscription which the vendor ignored.

If you apply strict accounting principles the client is right here – the business (tipster) should not apply the income received in advance of providing the service and thus a refund is appropriate.

But how many tipsters run their operation as a proper business?

And if you subscribe do you not effectively write off the cash paid whatever the outcome over the subscription period?

As far as I am aware none of the major publishers would offer a pro rata refund as a matter of course and there is probably something in the terms and conditions that allows them to adopt this policy…

I suspect the usual individual tipster type would struggle to understand the concept let alone make the calculation!

Again let us know what you think on this…

Should we be campaigning for automatic acceptance of this principle or are there more important fish to fry?

We are going to take a look at the tipster involved with the initial request as the reason given for the refund request was poor performance – that may be a valid reason but should you need to give a reason for cancelling and seeking a refund?

So, on to the review front…

I hope you have all spotted the recently posted warning about what seems to be the latest Multi Level Marketing rip off going under the SportArb banner.

It has a sports angle and so members may have been approached to “invest” – take great care if you have and please add your thoughts on the thread.

Another product that looks less than good value is Sports Trading Exposed at which Barry Gill has just taken a good look – his review will be posted later today.

To counter that we are updating the Tipping the Wink Review which has gone very well and is worth a look.

To end I just wanted to return to the beginning where I talked about involvement with your betting…

Parents always tell you to do as I say and not as I do and I have to confess to not taking my own advice.

Last August I wrote a brief piece for Matt about why Hull City were doomed for the Championship next year and even the short odds on this were probably value.

Did I take my advice?

No – my long standing belief that a miracle would happen stopped me from doing so and although it looked a possibility until the inexplicable loss to the worst team in the league last Saturday I know I shall be crying over my tea at the end of the Spurs game.

I repeat – do as I say and not as I do… You may end up a little better off!

 

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  1. Miles Tredwell says:

    Hi Peter,
    Interesting stuff, as always. Regarding the oddschecker piece, I’ve found William Hill to be occasionally unreliable but not noticed a problem elsewhere. Have you/anyone else found any others that can’t be relied upon because this would be very useful to know for both advising and receiving prices?

    • Peter Philipson says:

      Hi Miles
      I have examples for Betfair Sportsbook, 188 Bet and Ladbrokes but Hills are the most frequent I have seen. But as I place relatively few bets I would have thought it likely there will be more examples. Sure our members will be able to help here – trouble is when you find the odds vary you are more concerned with then getting the best price than taking a note of where and who did it!

  2. Peter Philipson says:

    comments via email received as follows:

    Matt,
    I too have experienced lower odds on offer when directed from the ‘Oddschecker’ site to some bookmakers. There is no consistent pattern and it has happened with various bookmakers. What is equally annoying is the fact that the price change is often only notified when a deposit has been made and a stake inserted.
    Tom

    Hi Matt and Peter,

    Thanks for the email it was very informative. Talking of Oddschecker I have found BetVictor to be a big culprit when searching out value bets in the wee hours. They advertise a price on Oddschecker but when you get through to there site it all SP, especially the horses.

    Your other topic about prorata refunds I found it humorous to think that a tipster would suggest that as you had profited from his service that he might deduct those winnings from your subscription. Does this mean that had his tips fallen short then not only would you get your subs back but he would then reimburse your losses. Now that’s a service I’d sign up to.

    A possible interest that we as a whole should be taking more notice in is the investigation by the CMA into the Online Gambling and Bookie market, and the unfair terms they wish us to abide by. I’ve sent my evidence of unfair treatment, maybe others could do the same. It might be something you guys would want to promote.
    Guy

    Guy – I agree wholeheartedly with last paragraph – the more of you that register your unfair treatment the better.

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